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 Post subject: Contract Kiaps
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:40 pm 
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Does anyone know the date when kiaps were first employed on a 6 year contract basis instead of a permanent basis?

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 Post subject: Re: Contract Kiaps
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:03 pm 
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Phil, first of the contract officers were the ones recruited in 1963. I understand that at the commencement of the recruitment process that year applicants believed that they were to be permanent officers but that by the time selection was made the decision had been made to move to six year contracts.

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 Post subject: Re: Contract Kiaps
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:30 pm 
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Ross,

The seniority date of the guys who became the first contract officers was 26 August 1963. Jim Sinclair talked about it in "Kiap" and I mentioned in "Fifty Shades .."

Mike Bell who did some of the tough years in Bougainville was from that intake. Mike is still around.

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 Post subject: Re: Contract Kiaps
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:18 pm 
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Thanks Bill, yes you are correct. There was a January 29 intake who were permanents however I recall having a conversation with one of them, name forgotten, who told me that he initially believed that he was to be a permanent officer.

There are 7 still on the list that Peter circulated a few days ago so hopefully one of them will respond.

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 Post subject: Re: Contract Kiaps
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:02 am 
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Thanks guys.

As I understand it the enabling legislation was the Public Service (Papua and New Guinea) Ordinance 1963. I just wasn't sure when it came into operation. The copy I found in the Archives had a 4 scribbled over the 3.

I imagine that the reason in the change of the employment conditions was a realisation that independence was on the horizon, although most pundits will tell you that those thoughts didn't really surface until after Donald Cleland retired as Administrator.

While Jim Sinclair's seminal book on the Kiaps is great it doesn't cover issues like this or the issue of National Service.

One day someone will have to write the full history.

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 Post subject: Re: Contract Kiaps
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:38 am 
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Jim does mention contracts of course.

On page 225 of Kiap he says: "Greg (McGrath) and his fellow cadets, who had been recruited as permanent officers, were about to commence their ASOPA induction courses in August 1963, when the new policy came suddenly into effect. Out of the blue they were told that no more permanent positions were available to Australians in the Department of Native Affairs. They were offered instead fixed-term contracts of six years, with a promise of an extension, but only if their services were still required at the end of that time. Most, including Greg, accepted.

By the time of independence, the contract officers would greatly outnumber we permanents in the PNG Public Serivice, and I never ceased to be amazed at the calibre of the young officers I worked with. One would have expected them to be young men without particular drive or ambition - surely men of quality would never waste themselves on a dead-end job - but that was not at all the case. The best types of young Australians were drawn into our ranks, and the Department could not have functioned without them."

I get the impression from Jim's comments that the change was made on the basis of cost cutting in the future, to avoid big golden handshakes. It was done at the same time that local kiaps were taken off the Australian pay scales - which Jim found grossly stupid.

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 Post subject: Re: Contract Kiaps
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:46 am 
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Yes, Mike Bell a good man and friend, Bill's comments are going to force me to get off my arse and touch base with him.

Mike remarked that when he and his group left the ASOPA induction course he was a permanent officer and when they landed at Jackson's they were contract officers but no one gave a dam about this or appreciated the implications.

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 Post subject: Re: Contract Kiaps
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:55 pm 
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Just a point of accuracy.

The first of the non permanent intakes were exempt not contract officers.


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 Post subject: Re: Contract Kiaps
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:32 pm 
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Exempt?

As the red headed lady at the back of the room would say, "Please explain".

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 Post subject: Re: Contract Kiaps
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:03 pm 
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Our letters of appointment stated that we had been offered positions as Cadet Patrol Officers who were exempt from the permanency provisions of the Public Service Ordinance. The exemption referred specifically to the superannuation provisions of that ordinance. We were to be referred to as Exempt Officers appointed for a six year fixed term with the possibility of extension of employment at the end of that period.
From memory the term "Contract Officer" came into existence four or five years later ie circa 1969 or 1970.


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 Post subject: Re: Contract Kiaps
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:22 pm 
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Peter,
We were interviewed by Harry West for permanent positions but about ten days before we were due to report to ASOPA on 26th August 1963 we all received our appointment letters stating that the position would no longer be permanent but if we were happy with a six year contract, sign the bottom line and turn up. Peter Hawk's father Acky who worked in External Territories told me later that around six withdrew at that stage. As a nineteen year old I think the common thought was "so what, what the hell." Of course the final payout to us compared with the January '63 intake was massive. Sixteen years service scored those of us remaining at that time around $25 grand.
The yarn about leaving Oz as permanents and arriving at Jacksons as "contracts" is simply wrong.
On a visit to New Ireland Kingsley Jackson as a District Inspector considered that our intake had received the rough end of the pineapple and took it up with higher authorities but to no avail as it would have cost Canberra money.
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 Post subject: Re: Contract Kiaps
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:00 pm 
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No Gary, it was much earlier. My letter of appointment dated 3 March 1965 clearly states that I was appointed as a Contract Officer under Section 8 of the Public Service (Papua and New Guinea) Ordinance 1963 "with the designation of Cadet Patrol Officer".

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 Post subject: Re: Contract Kiaps
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:43 pm 
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I stand corrected. My memory is not what it was.


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 Post subject: Re: Contract Kiaps
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:45 pm 
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Exempt and contract officers seem to be the same thing.

Under the Ordinance one had to be exempted from its provisions to be appointed under contract.

An "exempt officer means an officer in relation to whom or to whose class a declaration is in force under Section 7 of this Ordinance". That is they've been declared not to be permanent.

A "contract officer means an officer engaged under Section 8 of this Ordinance".

We were exempt contract officers in other words.

Here's the link to the Ordinance: http://soda.naa.gov.au/record/3536409/45

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